Angry Ukrainians

[injunjane]

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That's our sad reality now and we are preparing for it. Not only Ukraine, but EU as well.

Fuck DumbTrump, an orange-faced redneck disgrace. That illiterate lying trash won't be giving us orders.

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[citrakayah]

Good luck over there.

[injunjane]

the darkest hour is before the dawn, they say

but the total mood among my friends and relatives is "офігеватор зламався", I think it can be roughly translated as "My I-am-so-shocked-by-what's-going-on apparatus is broken"

today we were at the protest/support gathering, huge crowd at one side of the square and some 5 people wearing medical masks in the far corner. They were holding two flags - Palestinian and Ukrainian, they were singing our hymn in a foreign language and shouting "Free Palestine" at the same time. I approached them and asked what country are they from - all foreigners, then I asked them politely to move away our flag.

The guy who was holding two flags refused, and all my explanations on that they are confusing two totally different situations and putting us in the same box with those who raped and tortured women and children on October 7 were in vain. I had no time to make a long lecture in world's history, so I told them I disagree as a Ukrainian and left.

I'm sorry for telling you this, you probably would not agree with my stance... my офігеватор is totally broken today :(

[injunjane]

and yes, thank you :)

[citrakayah]

Would you have reacted identically if the flag was Israeli?

[injunjane]

Now - yes. Because we have very different situation from Israel too, although they were victims of attack on that day.

Personally, I would let these two nations have each other their own state and let both work and live peacefully. One of my friends is a Palestinian Arab girl, from a very strict Muslim family still living in Israel. She hates Islam and Arab men because of what they did to her, and in spite of that outside she looks very happy and confident, I have never met anyone with so profound inner depression. The people like her deserve better future.

But both sides have their crazy religious fanatics and that's horrible.

[injunjane]

actually, in Ukraine now there is so much sympathy and support for Israelis and not Palestinians not only because our President is Jewish (nobody really cared about this when he was elected) but mainly because we have a stigma of being 'nationalists who helped nazis to kill Jews' (whatever the truth was).

We bear that pain of enormous number of Jews slaughtered here during WWII. My school in Kyiv was not far from Babiy Yar, it's a huge ravine where Jews were transported and shot en masse, by thousands.

[injunjane]

sorry for so many words, but I also wanted to note this, in the context of the current wars and beyond.

So many people simplify things, they think in squares and boxes and because of that very different, bad and good things are put in the same box and it creates a lot of mess. Now Palestine and Ukraine are in the same box, so to say, in the US although they should not be, neither historically nor politically.

But more 'complex' people often suffer from inability to measure that complexity. Like an inexperienced doctor who sees symptoms of everything in a patient and can't make correct diagnosis.

As a too much complex person I'm trying to diagnose situations by 'hurting, humiliating, killing and sexually assaulting people should be stopped in a very firm way each time it happens'